Try again, the ’07 600r is 417 dry, 490lbs wet weight
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yzf600r
“as much as i like what the FZ6R is, a great beginner bike, it CERTAINLY isn’t the YZF600R replacement that yamaha said that it would be.
the R6S is about as close to filling the 600R’s void as yamaha will get.
that being said, if you feel you’re ready for a 600 class bike, check into the 600R.”…
So you recommended a bike that has slightly more torque and with quite a bit of extra HP in leiu of a bike with slightly less? We are in the bestbeginnermotorcycles.com forum right?
“yet a bike that makes LESS LOW RPM TORQUE would be a better bike for a beginner.”
Torque really isn’t good as a sole determinant of what is a good beginner bike as it doesn’t paint a complete picture, as we discussed in another thread, power to weight ratio is probably a better determinant.
“not to mention not having fully adjustable suspension……that in itself is ridiculous. and a tube frame….why?”
No adjustable preload on the front forks is not such a big deal if your primary goal isn’t a track day, which for most beginners it won’t be (like the ninja 250 thats gets recommended like crazy on this site has no adjustable preload). And beleive it or not the tubular steel frame using the engine as a stressed member is capable and comfortable as it helps keep the seat lower to make it available to a wider range of riders.
“i’ll say it before”
Are you going back in time?
“and i’ll say it again”
So say it all you like, it won’t necessarily make it true…
“the R6, R6S, 600R, FZ6, and FZ6R are none better or worse than the other for a ‘beginner’ bike, none of them are beginner bikes as they all make similar torque numbers.”
Didn’t you start out by saying “…i like what the FZ6R is, a great beginner bike…” ??
So the FZ6R is not a good replacement for the 600R, the R6S, the space shuttle discovery, etc. It’s not as sporty as your beloved 600r, it won’t approach a top speed of 150mph. They made changes to make a bike that is more appealing to a larger demographic, so they can *GASP* sell more bikes! It makes a great comfortable inexpensive commuter bike for a market that didn’t really offer much for that niche.
This discussion has gotten really off point. The question was if it was decent beginner bike for commuting. So lets try and be helpful in answereing the post originators questions rather than turning this into a pissing contest.