1960 Vespa Allstate 150cc

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1960 Vespa Allstate 150cc

Post by roadcapDen » Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:32 am

Well, the Vespa that I got 5 years ago and totally rebuilt was sold last week.
I had a deposit and bank draft in hand when the new owner drove it away to the license office to get it registered!
Half hour later I get a call, he stalled it and couldn't get it going and the licensing orifice wouldn't give him an ownership.
Found a loose wire attached to the CDI that I installed when upgrading it to a 12 Volt system.
Put er in a pickup, brought it home, handed back the cheque, said bye bye, Hooked the wire back up on it the next day and away we go!
Buyer reneged on the deal so I still have a beautiful Italian Model in my garage.
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Re: 1960 Vespa Allstate 150cc

Post by Dan Durston » Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:30 pm

Hmm.....wow! I don't know if this sucks or is a good thing. This sure is a nice scooter....you might be glad one day that you didn't sell it.

I wish I'd taken a closer look at this scoot back when I was at your place. I didn't appreciate old Vespa's as much then.
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Re: 1960 Vespa Allstate 150cc

Post by roadcapDen » Thu May 14, 2009 7:02 am

Get this!
The scoot was originally registered w/ the MTO using the model # NOT the proper VIN!!?? Ya think they would admit their mistake? Noooooooo.
Took in a pic of the model # plate and the VIN (that I found under the left side cover under many layers of paint) and FINALLY got a new ownership, so now I'm the 1st owner of this 1960 Allstate!
Got a dude from Montreal coming to see it on Tuesday.
Also, when they did the new ownership they didn't mark down the CC's so it can be registered as a 50cc instead of 150cc!
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Re: 1960 Vespa Allstate 150cc

Post by donny » Thu May 14, 2009 8:35 am

well for insurance and value purpose. i would be sure on displacement on ownership is correct?

that would be a really cool scooter for down town montreal 8-) would fit right in that scene :)
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Re: 1960 Vespa Allstate 150cc

Post by roadcapDen » Thu May 14, 2009 9:54 am

Ya, but I think in PQ that they have different licensing restrictions so He's gonna register it as a 50cc so He doesn't require a full M license?!?
Once I get the $ He can do whatever He wants with it.

Sure would look cool sitting on the patio at a nice Bistro in downtown Montreal 8-) watching the fine French mini's stroll by...
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Re: 1960 Vespa Allstate 150cc

Post by Dan Durston » Thu May 14, 2009 11:40 am

Yeah that's gonna be so cool. Tomorrow I'm going to the 'Garden City Scooter Run' in Victoria, BC and there is going to be a ton of vintage Vespa's like this there. I'm excited to see them. This rally is the longest running rally in North America (25 years). I'll take some pics for sure.
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Re: 1960 Vespa Allstate 150cc

Post by roadcapDen » Thu May 21, 2009 8:38 am

Any pic's?
So the wife got bitten by the vintage bug?
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Re: 1960 Vespa Allstate 150cc

Post by Dan Durston » Thu May 21, 2009 4:33 pm

Yeah I got some pics....I'll post em up tomorrow.
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Re: 1960 Vespa Allstate 150cc

Post by roadcapDen » Tue May 26, 2009 7:23 am

Two short videos of the Vespa...
Sounds not too good as there was a lawnmower running down the street.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiltN1cJP1Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV4-KCTnQ6g

Seems to bog down when I give her throttle?
carb or timing??
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Re: 1960 Vespa Allstate 150cc

Post by roadcapDen » Wed May 27, 2009 1:19 pm

No comments :(
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Re: 1960 Vespa Allstate 150cc

Post by crashoverride » Wed May 27, 2009 1:35 pm

Hehe I liked the videos I just have no idea how to fix your issue.

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Re: 1960 Vespa Allstate 150cc

Post by Dan Durston » Thu May 28, 2009 12:14 am

Lookin good! That's incredible that this scooter is nearly 50 years old! Twice my age.
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Re: 1960 Vespa Allstate 150cc

Post by Landy » Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:55 am

Just bought a 1966 Allstate. I am very new at motorscooters and am fixing this one up as best as I can. I am going to have to replace both of the gear selector cables. I am unsure if I have a clutch or gear problem.When I manually put the unit in first gear (engine not running) I found what I think is a problem. If you grasp the flywheel with one hand and the rear wheel with your other hand, and rotate the flywheel ,there is a lot of free play . You can rotate the flywheel about 45 degrees before the rear wheel begins to turn. Is this a normal thing? Sorry if I am not giving you a good verbal picture of what is going on. Any comments you may have will be helpful.

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Re: 1960 Vespa Allstate 150cc

Post by roadcapDen » Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:01 am

Is itthe same in the other gears? You can adjust the cables. Had the clutch apart to chech the plates?
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Re: 1960 Vespa Allstate 150cc

Post by Charon » Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:10 am

Landy wrote:Just bought a 1966 Allstate. I am very new at motorscooters and am fixing this one up as best as I can. I am going to have to replace both of the gear selector cables. I am unsure if I have a clutch or gear problem.When I manually put the unit in first gear (engine not running) I found what I think is a problem. If you grasp the flywheel with one hand and the rear wheel with your other hand, and rotate the flywheel ,there is a lot of free play . You can rotate the flywheel about 45 degrees before the rear wheel begins to turn. Is this a normal thing? Sorry if I am not giving you a good verbal picture of what is going on. Any comments you may have will be helpful.
That 45 degree thing probably is normal. There is backlash in the gear train, primarily in the actual selector mechanism in the transmission proper. I can picture in my mind how it works, having taken one apart, but describing it would be difficult.

I believe the person with the "150 cc" unit needs to make actual measurements of the bore and stroke. As I remember it, the Allstate Super Cruisaire sold by Sears was a 125, not 150. It had three speeds, not the four of at least the Vespa GS of the time. It was not marked Vespa anywhere, but did have a Piaggio marking somewhere (Piaggio was and is the parent company of Vespa). The Vespa had a front suspension which had a shock absorber mounted in front of the support leg, and a spring behind it. The Cruisaire did not have a shock absorber. The Sears unit was sold without a speedometer, but one could be purchased as an accessory. It was also pretty typical for the front splash shield to crack at the top, just outboard of the center column. The Vespa had a chrome decorative cover over the edge of the shield, not present on the Sears, which apparently "damped" the vibration of the shield enough to keep it from cracking.
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