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 Post subject: the best chinese scooter?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:57 pm 
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looking for suggestions of the best made Chinese scooter 49cc that are manufactured their.


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 Post subject: Re: the best chinese scooter?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:21 am 
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The hard thing with Chinese scooters is that most brands don't make their own scooters. A business man will start a scooter company and call it something like Whiz Scooters and then instead of building scooters, he'll order a big batch from an existing manufacturer that sells to lots of brands. He might pay a lot and get good quality scooters, but then the next year he may order from a different manufacturer and buy cheaper scooters that are terrible even though they look the same. It's really hard to trust a chinese scooter brand because they never actually make their own scooters. Even if they try really hard, they still don't really have complete control over what they get. There aren't actually very many scooter manufacturers in China. There are only a few and they just mass produces a ton of different scooters and put a wide range of brand names on them. For the exact same scooter, a scooter brand can opt to buy a good ones or pay less and get cheaper versions even though on the surface they look identical.

Actually to clairfy, there is about 2-4 companies in Japan that make all the motors (which are copies of Japanese designs for the most part) and then there is another 2 or so companies that make frames and body panels and then another 2-4 companies that do the assembly work. So a scooter brand basically chooses the cheapest motor they can get and matches that with a frame they like and body panels and then get another company to put it together. In China scooter brands really just sell the scooters....they don't make them. Two scooters that look very different might actually be the same scooters with different panels.

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 Post subject: Re: the best chinese scooter?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:48 pm 
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Tomos has a 49cc scooter made there (Nitro). Supposedly it's manufactured in a plant controlled by SYM. Your next bet would a 49cc Flyscooter. Leon Li insists on top quality from the Znen plant, always.

To clarify even further there are some companies that are just assemblers in China but the bulk of the engines are built in China. I know for a fact that Znen and Bashan build their engines in-house from parts they buy from outside sources. In Flyscooter's case they specify numerous Japanese pieces in their engines. Pistons, rings, cranks, seals and other bits. Other companies order Chinese substitutes, which can work just as well, but Leon wants that extra safety in his scoots. I've seen the inside of a GY6, "Made in China" stamped on numerous pieces.


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 Post subject: Re: the best chinese scooter?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:11 am 
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thanks i was hoping you would answer this. you have a lot of knowledge on Chinese scooters. the guy that started this question has not been on much but i hope he sees this.he is in china and wants info.


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 Post subject: Re: the best chinese scooter?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:48 pm 
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Thanks. I lifted this quote from their site.

ZNEN GROUP (Zhejiang Zhongneng Industry Group CO.,LTD.) is one of the largest manufactures of automobiles, motorcycles and motor scooters in China. Established in 1996, the Group has maintained rapidly sustained and stable development for 12 years.

Chongqing Astronautic Bashan Motorcycle Manufacturing Co. Ltd is mainly a manufacturer of motorcycles, which incorporates research, manufacturing and marketing of motorcycles, ATVs, engines and their parts. Located in Huaxi Industrial Park in Banan District, Chongqing, Bashan Company occupies an area of 100,000 square meters, capable of producing 100,000 ATVs, 600,000 motorcycles and 1,000,000 engines per year.

As I've said before the problem originally was quick buck artists bought scooters for here in the States with cheap components for big profits. Things have, for the most part, gotten much better. How they are in China, I don't know. They could be putting in "Lucas" electrics for the home market for all I know. Maybe you have to special order better parts.

The engines are Honda clones and should be up to abuse. We had a member in Scootdawg who put 26,000 miles on a 150cc in a little over a year before breaking the frame doing a canyon jump. He wouldn't weld it and junked it with a perfectly good running engine.


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