asian scooters(not japanese)

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hi would like to hear from owners of these new off shore scooters i see advertised. are they cheaper? how is the reliability? what problems you have had and as well what you really like about the scooter?

i have only owned Japanese scooters,but so many other models of scooters have come available today.

thanks donny.
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Some Asian brands that I can think of other than the major Japanese brands (and not Chinese) are SYM, Kymco, TNG and PGO.

SYM makes a scooter (the Fiddle II) that looks pretty darn similar to Vespa's LX line. Overall, their scooters look decent.
http://www.symcanada.ca/modeles-en.php

Here's the other websites:
http://www.kymco.ca/
http://www.tngscooters.com/default.aspx
http://www.pgoscooters.ca/engscooter.html

From the owners reports that I've heard, these Taiwan scooters are pretty decent. Supposedly they are getting pretty close to the Japanese in terms of quality. However, don't expect to save money by buying one. Normally the MSRP's are hardly cheaper ($100-$200) than the Japanese makers and you'll instantly lose more than that in resale value because they don't have a known name. I would only buy one of these if I really like a specific design, not to save any money.

Donny, check out the news section on the TNG website. The 3rd news item down is: "TNG Milano takes first place out of 56 motor scooters in 24hr/800km endurance rally...right out of the crate!" and then there's a link to the Mad Bastard Results. Looks like TNG is very aware they took first place in the rally.
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Whoops....TNG is Chinese.
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Can't blame them for following the MBSR. It's a pretty big deal and if that wire hadn't busted on my ride TNG would have been talking about second place to a 25 year old Honda.
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BaristaBen wrote:if that wire hadn't busted on my ride TNG would have been talking about second place to a 25 year old Honda.
Yeah 2009 is NH80 time 8-) The new taillight is going to add serious style points for sure!
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hey i like the tng stuff your finding,never thought of them much after the rally. this is a good lead.

this year ben :!: :!: bring her home :!: does your scooter have a name better than beaten? :P
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Regarding TNG, they make okay scooters now but they had a pretty rough start. The TNG story is that back around 2003 Costco decided they wanted to copy Yamaha's Vino scooter so they commissioned a Chinese company to rip off the design. The Chinese company took an old crappy motor and shoved it in a Vino look-a-like body and Costco started selling it.

Unfortunately for Costco, they offered the scooter with a one year warrentee and these scooters were breaking down like crazy. Costco simply couldn't do all the repairs to these scooters since they are basically a grocery store, so they hired a bunch of local scooters shops across the continent to fix up these terrible scooters. After a year or so of selling the scooters, Costco wisely decided to stop selling them since the repair costs were out of this world. All the scooter shops that were repairing the scooters were upset though because these repairs had become a huge portion of their income. Accordingly, they teamed up and formed a new dealer network for TNG. That was back around 2004-ish. Since then TNG has improved their product quite a bit but I still wouldn't consider them even as good as a Taiwan made scooter. They did win the 2007 MBSR but they also had one of the virtually brand new TNG scooters unable to make the start because it's clutch blew up.
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So basically this scooter is only around still because it sucks so much. If it sucked less Costco would have still dropped it but mechanics wouldn't have cared but because this brand is so brutal/lucrative for mechanics The were bailed out. Interesting... Makes me want to go make fun of people that have one. Who's in?
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Yes it was the perfect amount of sucking. Supposedly they have improved their scooters since but I still wouldn't buy one. Chinese (and even Taiwan) scooters aren't worth the couple hundred bucks you save initially because the re-sale value is way lower. You instantly lose a grand when you drive it off the lot.
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for resale value you can't beat a mid 80s or 90s Honda.
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Yeah they're the ultimate....you can buy em in great shape for $800 and sell them years later for the same price.
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ok i filled all sites. your right! any elite or similar are worth any new clone?
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A company called 'Qlink' is imported a copy of the Honda Helix now that the Helix has been dropped (last year was 2007). This scooter appears to be a 100% copy....it even has the same 244cc engine.

http://www.qlinkmotor.com/product.php?id=62
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wow after seeing that promo, you would think there a upstanding manufacturing company?
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I'm not sure if they are just buying the parts from the same manufacturers and just reassembling copies, or if they have just taken a Helix and copied it as close as they can. There is a few minor differences like the vents in the hood.
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